Re: DP1 at ISO 1600 vs. GX100. My bet is on the Ricoh.
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| Subject | Re: DP1 at ISO 1600 vs. GX100. My bet is on the Ricoh. [SIMILAR] |
| Posted by | Prognathous [PROFILE] [GALLERY] |
| Date/Time | 16:45:10, 03 June 2007 (GMT) |
DaSigmaGuy wrote: > You cannot and indeed should not draw any meaningfull conclusions > from these review images because the test is obviously > fundimentally flawed from the start. I agree, it is not the best test, but the same splotches are reported by every other SD14 user who tried to shoot JPEGs at ISO 1600. Have a look here for a recent example: http://peterbernik.blogspot.com/2007/05/sigma-sd14-hi-iso-sample.html > Firstly, all the shots appear to be in-camera jpegs but it is well > known amongst Sigma users that that SD14 in-camera jpegs are often > of poor quality...Serious SD14 users ONLY use RAW. The same is true with other "serious" DSLR users, but the majority of them also shoot JPEGs. Sigma should have developed a more decent in-camera processor or should have left the JPEG support out. As it is, the dreadful JPEG quality is going to bite their rear-end, as all the major review site focus on JPEG comparisons. > And secondly native size SD14 images are 2640 x 1760 in size, NOT > 4,608 x 3,072 as the pics are in the comparison so its hardly fair > to compare greatly upsized SD14 images against native sized Ricoh > GX100 images, especially as the end results depend greatly on the > upsizing algorithm used and the fact that upsized images always > look a lot softer than native sized images. Fair enough, but I've also seen SD14 ISO 1600 JPEGs that were shot in the native resolution, and the GX100 is still much better. > As for the noise, it would have been much less that shown if the > photographer knew what he was doing as the SD14 shot in question is > underexposed...Correct exposure would have given very similar noise > pattern to the GX100, perhaps even better. Sorry to disappoint, but it won't. Here's an ISO 1600 JPEG from an SD14 review posted today at ephotozine.com: http://forums.ort.org.il/files/30/2435594/2140760.jpg And here's a 100% crop from that shot: http://forums.ort.org.il/files/30/2435595/2369550.jpg Don't you find those splotches sickening? Just compare it with a similar crop from the ISO 100 shot: http://forums.ort.org.il/files/30/2435596/9709516.jpg The entire review can be found here: http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Sigma-SD14-reviewed-1 There's no way around it. For anyone who shoots JPEGs, the GX100 + IS + f/2.5 lens + filmlike grain is *way* better for low light photography than a DP1 + f/4.0 + splotchy noise will ever be. In RAW it will likely be a closer match, but I don't hold my hopes too high for the DP1. This is a camera built for landscape photography, not street shooting, and definitely not street-shooting in dim light. I think Sigma should limit their cameras to ISO 400 (like most medium format film backs) and should forget about JPEG until they develop better in-camera processing. The Foveon sensor has fabulous low-ISO quality, and this should be their main selling point. There's no point in ruining their reputation with sub-par high-ISO quality. Prog. | |
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