Lightroom 4 Public Beta: What's New

By Amadou Diallo | Published Jan 10, 2012 |
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With the release of the Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4 Public Beta, new and current users have the opportunity not only to explore the the latest additions to the company's database-driven image editing and workflow tool, but to provide feedback to Adobe and help shape the final release.

The Lightroom 4 beta introduces quite a list of features, including a completely new book-creation module, expanded support for video, soft proofing capability, and geo-tagging of still and video images via a Google Maps-powered module. Image editing tools have also been significantly updated, with a new process version (PV2012) that includes a reworking of the Basic panel controls and new localized editing options.

To get you up to speed on what's new and help you start exploring the public beta, I'm going to take you through the tools and features that have changed since Lightroom 3. Keep in mind this is not a Lightroom review or tutorial, rather an illustrated overview of what has been added and updated. My goal is to help you get started in exploring these new features for yourself.

We'll take a look at the following features:

System requirements

Before we get started it's important to note that the minimum system requirements for Lightroom have changed. Lightroom 4 does not support 32-bit Macs. You must be running a 64-bit Intel processor and OS 10.6.8 or higher (read this Apple support document to determine whether your Mac has a 64-bit processor). On the Windows side, support for Windows XP has been dropped. Lightroom now requires a version of Windows Vista or Windows 7.

Develop module

Lightroom 4 introduces Process Version (PV) 2012. What's a process version and why should you care? Well, it's the image processing engine behind Lightroom (and Photoshop's Adobe Camera Raw plug-in). The Lightroom engineers make periodic tweaks to its components to provide better image rendering and/or enable new editing functionality. While the rendering performance sees some minor changes, PV2012 stands out by introducing a redesigned and recalibrated set of the Develop module's Basic panel tools, along with more localized editing options. Simply put, PV2012 is of huge consequence for every serious Lightroom user. Its changes are significant and will have a direct effect on your editing workflow.

As with the introduction of previous process versions, Lightroom, by default honors the current (in this case PV2010) process version of your existing images. If you desire, you can simply go on working as you always have. But should you choose to update an image to PV2012, a whole host of new functionality awaits.

Basic panel

Select any image in the Develop module that was imported in Lightroom 3 or earlier and you'll notice a warning icon in the lower right (shown below), indicating the image has not been updated to PV2012.

A warning icon appears at the bottom of the Develop module when an image processed via PV2010 or earlier (circled in red) is displayed.

After clicking the icon you can choose to update the selected image or all images in the filmstrip. Once an image is updated to PV2012 you will notice a revised collection of tools in the Basic Panel (shown below), as well as a noticeable change to the appearance of your image.

Gone from the Basic panel are the Recovery, Fill Light and Brightness sliders. Instead, what you see in Lightroom 4 is a separate grouping of sliders labeled Highlights, Shadows, Whites and Blacks. Moving any of these sliders to the right (a positive value) brightens pixels. Negative adjustments darken pixels. The default value for all items in the Basic Panel is now set to 0 for raw files, just as they have always been for JPEG images.

Many of the Basic panel controls
in Lightroom 3 (shown above)...
...have been changed in version
4 with default values set to 0.

It's very important to understand that for many of the Basic panel tools, the internal effects ranges have been changed, meaning that a slider value of say +50 in a PV 2010 tool may not correspond to +50 in the equivalent PV2012 tool. When updating PV2010 (or earlier) images which already contain manual Basic panel adjustments, slider values will be carried over or 'transposed' to the appropriate PV2012 settings. But the appearence of your image will change, often significantly. For this reason, I encourage you to apply PV2012 on an image by image basis to your existing photos to get a feel for what the new tools can do. Or simply import new images, which will automatically get the newest process version, and explore the new features with those images.

White balance

The WB selector's sample area is now zoom-dependant, mimicing the behavior seen in Adobe Camera Raw. Clicking with the WB tool on an image displayed in say a 1:2 (50%) view will result in a white balance calculation based on a wider range of pixels than performing the same action with the image at a 1:1 view. Put more simply, when you adjust the Scale slider for the WB selector's loupe window, the image area you see in the grid is now the same area that LR will sample to determine WB.

The loupe window of the WB selector
indicates the sampling area on which the
WB calculation will be made.
Setting the Scale slider to the lowest
possible magnification results in a wider
area of pixels from which to sample.

Sampling over a wider area of pixels should lead to more accurate WB settings in noisy images by minimizing the impact of random pixel values. In previous versions of Lightroom, a consistent grid of pixels was being sampled regardless of the image view or Scale slider setting.

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Daniel1977
By Daniel1977 (Feb 18, 2012 at 19:13:16 GMT)

I started using LR 4 as soon as has been published.
Now I am delighted with Selective White Balance.
I have not seen the need to apply this tool until I tried it in this picture.

Developed with Day Light, Direct Positive and General Auto
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6831067361_5674b22047.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/didmyself/6831067361/

Developed with Direct Positive, General Auto and Selective WB.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7048/6888074179_00631cccb0.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/didmyself/6888074179/

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treepop
By treepop (Feb 16, 2012 at 00:11:33 GMT)

#1 fav is the NR visible above 1:1 ratio!

I am also interested in the book module....depending on how flexible it is.

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Peter KT Lim
By Peter KT Lim (Jan 30, 2012 at 21:31:23 GMT)

Thank you !

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Art Guertin
By Art Guertin (Jan 29, 2012 at 16:24:42 GMT)

Amadou,

Very well presented article. Appreciate the time and effort you put into this. I was mulling the decision to upgrade/or not..Your article has made that decision so much easier..I will!

Thank you.
Art

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boyzo
By boyzo (Jan 27, 2012 at 01:32:08 GMT)

I have a calibrated IPS LCD and my printer is calibrated for my Photo Paper
When I print the print is always a touch darker than the screen image.

When I use the soft proofing and select simlutate ink/paper the VC copy image appears a bit washed out. Is this normal ?? in LR4

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sterooney
By sterooney (Jan 24, 2012 at 10:14:27 GMT)

Great review, looks useful. Does anyone know if Lightroom offers relative adjustments for a series of images? Ie Can i ask it to increase all images by 1 stop regardless of starting exposure value? cheers

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amipal
By amipal (Feb 5, 2012 at 17:52:36 GMT)

With LR3, you can save presets. So, for instance, you could edit one image to have a 1.0 exposure, save that as a "1 Stop" preset, then apply that to multiple-selected images in your Library. Hopefully this function still remains in LR4!

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macuser88
By macuser88 (Jan 21, 2012 at 18:09:27 GMT)

Check out the new video support features of LR4 here:

http://eduardoangel.com/2012/01/10/adobe-lightroom-4-hdslr-video-support-explained/

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cactusklaw5schel
By cactusklaw5schel (Jan 20, 2012 at 01:42:36 GMT)

Thank you for a precise ,concise presentation of Lightroom Beta.It is most helpful as I try to sort out if it pays to use it as a "Stand Alone" program for developing files rather than as a catalogue -storage medium.I use Aperture 3 for storage but have lately been reviewing some of my latest editions a more and more feel that the skin tones are too "Plasticy".Any thoughts.Best Alan New Mexico USA where dry heat is given new meanings.

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Hawki557
By Hawki557 (Jan 19, 2012 at 00:34:13 GMT)

An excellent view of what LR4 has to offer. I've been using it for a few days now and have had very good results so far. After reading this, I have even a better understanding of some of the new controls and look forward to taking things a step further.
Thanks for the information and insight.

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PhotoMT
By PhotoMT (Jan 18, 2012 at 17:07:56 GMT)

Thanks for a well written preview. I have just one question and I may have missed it but is an image merge (panorama) process available in LR4?

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Jan 20, 2012 at 00:26:22 GMT)

No. Like other types of composite imaging, that's still a Photoshop task.

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temacelest
By temacelest (Jan 18, 2012 at 15:42:46 GMT)

Is it possible to "preview" images
for color print accuracy in the book module?

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Gabegal
By Gabegal (Jan 18, 2012 at 15:40:10 GMT)

I've probably missed this on your great review, but in the Slideshow module, is it now possible to EASILY add more than one piece of music to a show? In L3 you could only have one track to go with your photos. Has this changed?

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kcf955
By kcf955 (Jan 18, 2012 at 23:54:20 GMT)

Nope you did not miss it, not there. I am disappointed the slideshow module continues to languish....

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Gabegal
By Gabegal (Jan 19, 2012 at 01:09:07 GMT)

That is really annoying!! Lightroom is lagging badly in this area. It would be nice if someone in their development area was reading the stuff we write!!

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G Davidson
By G Davidson (Jan 18, 2012 at 14:23:22 GMT)

Being able to adjust the video files so easily is a huge boon. Nowadays, I might want to capture the scene with a piece of 1080p video, which might suffer as much as my photos from poor levels or too cool a white balance. Now without too much effort they can be fixed.

Hopefully at some point, even if it is slow, we have the option of deploying the whole collection of develop tools to video, including noise reduction and camera profiles.

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Tabaplar
By Tabaplar (Jan 18, 2012 at 12:27:36 GMT)

In the exposure adjustment image showing three variation's of a woman's portrait, it looks like there is a floating palette in the bottom right corner.

What is this? How does one enable floating palettes over a full screen image in Lightroom?

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Jan 18, 2012 at 15:33:57 GMT)

Tabaplar, it's simply a composite screenshot to show you the settings I used.

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jerome18
By jerome18 (Jan 17, 2012 at 19:52:19 GMT)

It would be useful to be able to give the Ordnance Survey grid reference that can be obtained from a GPS unit in the map module.

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Buchan-Grant
By Buchan-Grant (Jan 17, 2012 at 18:46:26 GMT)

I would like to see a facility to filter showing only files which have had ammendments made in the develop module

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Greensteak
By Greensteak (Jan 17, 2012 at 19:56:24 GMT)

Haven't tried Beta 4, but a smart collection in LR3 did this. The filter was created in the Library module, and afterwards was available in Develop.

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SageCoyote
By SageCoyote (Jan 17, 2012 at 16:57:00 GMT)

Overall a decent upgrade even if I'm not very interested fotobooking. My main criticism concerns the elimination of the fill light.

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A Owens
By A Owens (Jan 17, 2012 at 09:44:39 GMT)

Such a thing is simply done in LR a number of ways and of course, unlike doing it in-camera, it can be done to a raw file. Why one would want to a more difficult question to answer.

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Lofi
By Lofi (Jan 17, 2012 at 04:50:51 GMT)

In such a powerful tool I miss simple effects which cameras have built in. Like e. g. the Nex-5N's Partial Color effect where you can turn a picture to grayscale while keeping one color (e. g. red).

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Artistico
By Artistico (Feb 2, 2012 at 22:37:41 GMT)

As far as I can tell, this has been possible with all versions of Lightroom. You go to the color controls, HSL, select Saturation and desaturate the colours you don't want.

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Leo
By Leo (Jan 17, 2012 at 01:15:49 GMT)

The LR3 Brightness was very useful for me. I have used Brightness/Exposure to keep highlights and brighten the mid-tones. Transferring the images processes as 2010 to 2012 may dramatically change my images end results. How I can brighten mid-tones without Brightness adjustment? :-(

Also, I do agree with zeroing the defaults values. I always set Brightness, Contrast and Black lever to zeros at the very beginning. The set Brightness=50%, Contrast=25% and Black lever 5% is equivalent to +1EV. The opened image would be always shown overexposed when opened with 50-25-5.

The added soft-proofing with Before and After is great!

Looking forward to upgrade!
Leo
PS Thank you for the update!!! - very helpful!

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Earthlight
By Earthlight (Jan 16, 2012 at 22:46:05 GMT)

Now this is a quality article! Thanks, very helpful. Dpreview at its best.

One question, have the noise suppression tools been developed further? I would love a better pattern noise suppression tool. Raw Shooter Essentials used to have it, Adobe bought them, where is the slider these days?

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Aaron Shepard
By Aaron Shepard (Jan 16, 2012 at 22:15:00 GMT)

It makes no sense to merge the Exposure and Brightness controls. Leave Exposure as it was and add a Midtones control to replace Brightness.

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ila-ali
By ila-ali (Jan 16, 2012 at 15:57:39 GMT)

Superb article thanks

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biggles267
By biggles267 (Jan 16, 2012 at 08:07:35 GMT)

I thought the quality of this article was fantastic, thank you very much. I have been using the trial version of LR 3.5 waiting for 4 to come out before buying, and it is very helpful to see all these updates so clearly examined. Well done!

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TOENEE60
By TOENEE60 (Jan 12, 2012 at 21:45:44 GMT)

Superb article......Thank you!!
Tony

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Pedal2Floor
By Pedal2Floor (Jan 12, 2012 at 18:22:08 GMT)

Back when LR3 was released I put in a feature request for a book module and there was a lot of support for my request from adobe forum members so I am happy that it made it. Also great idea to integrate with Blub but I hope there is a way for 3rd party developers to integrate with MPIX or others as well.

There were many who also asked/requested for a Calendar module as well. I am happy to see the book module (a much needed feature) but disappointed we will not also get a Calendar module. I believe for many a book and Calendar module would have been huge features. Hopefully someone will create a plug-in

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hea
By hea (Jan 12, 2012 at 01:51:04 GMT)

Everythinh Ok, except I do not see a control to move ALL exposure up or down, just like we use aperure , speed or ISO. This is essential for me. The first rough adjustment I currently use.

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willardp808
By willardp808 (Jan 16, 2012 at 23:34:55 GMT)

OMG...there IS someone who actually uses Aperture :)

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Cerrito Kid
By Cerrito Kid (Feb 10, 2012 at 05:55:40 GMT)

Yes, there are still Aperture users out here in the real world. Which is better Aperture 3 or Lightroom 3? Answer -- assuming you have a MAC -- has a lot to do with the way you approach your "work flow" (hate that term, never heard it used in a darkroom) which can be highly personal and as well as the type of photography you are doing. I have both products (lightroom came free with my Leica) and see pluses and minuses in both. However, at $80 Aperture is by far the better bang for the buck. If you use a PC, well good luck with Lightroom because that is all you have.

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BMWX5
By BMWX5 (Jan 11, 2012 at 22:14:19 GMT)

Does anyone know when it is going to be released? Is it safe to install this beta beside the full version in MAC?

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eNo
By eNo (Jan 11, 2012 at 21:43:20 GMT)

Oops, no 32-bit support, no XP... I just saved myself some money. I guess it's 3.6 until my PC or I die.

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Lea5
By Lea5 (Jan 12, 2012 at 12:35:43 GMT)

Hey it's the year 2012. XP was released 2001 (!) and was outdated years ago. Time to get Win7

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Dave Oddie
By Dave Oddie (Jan 17, 2012 at 18:58:58 GMT)

Having to change O/S because of an image editing/organising bit of software is ridiculous. It is a piece of cake to design software to deploy on different platforms if done properly. I was slowly getting into LR 3 but I won't be wasting my time any further. I did wonder about buying into Adobe and kind of expected an ongoing need to buy upgrades every now and again but never expected to have to buy a new O/S and potentially screw up my PC that is running nicely in the process.

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Archiver
By Archiver (Feb 6, 2012 at 02:28:11 GMT)

What's worse is that Adobe will no longer make upgrades to LR3, which means that I would have to upgrade to a new OS if I buy a new camera and want to use the raw files natively. DNG Converter is okay but the files can become massive with certain cameras.

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SungiBr
By SungiBr (Feb 12, 2012 at 00:51:23 GMT)

They droped 32bit support only to Macs. On windows you still can run it on 32 bit processor. But an upgrade to a Win7 is definatelly not a wast of time and money

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Vytra
By Vytra (Feb 18, 2012 at 00:40:41 GMT)

@Dave and eNo - I hate to make this a discussion about operating systems, but saying Win7 isn't worth the upgrade from XP is like saying you hate technology, faster computers, and more efficient workflow. Holding out on XP is reserved for people that have never used an Win7 PC. The difference is starkly favorable towards Win7 in all terms of performance, speed, stability, capability, expansion, potential, and future development. Make the upgrade to Win7.

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sean000
By sean000 (Jan 11, 2012 at 17:06:26 GMT)

Soft proofing and book editing will be welcome additions. I create a fair number of photo books, and it will be nice to do so from within the LR interface so I don't have to browse for or import images.

My only concern is that this will be the Lightroom version that finally demands that I upgrade my modest computer. More modules will demand more memory. On the one hand I hate to see LR get even more bloated than it already is, but on the other hand the reason I love the workflow is because I can accomplish almost everything I want to do from within a single application that always has access to my catalog. It's probably time for me to upgrade the computer anyway...

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moving_comfort
By moving_comfort (Jan 11, 2012 at 16:54:30 GMT)

Just wanted to comment on the preview here itself - very well written, very complete and clear. Well done.

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JasonReplica
By JasonReplica (Jan 11, 2012 at 09:38:17 GMT)

Having worked professionally with LR since the first beta I think the team deserve for listening to users and finally getting soft proofing into the app. This was one of the major gripes for me. However...
I've just found a new gripe to replace it. If you've got a lens that has a profile defined for it and the chromatic corrections are accurate then your going to be happy BUT if you have a lens that isn't profiled and requires a manual correction for chromatic corrections then it looks like you're out of luck. The sliders have disappeared from the manual section altogether so no manual correction can be dialled-in. Please Adobe give us back the manual chromatic adjustments!
Any just in case you're wondering it's the Nikon 28-105 lens that I'm very fond of and know many other photographers enjoy using on the D700 and D3 bodies.

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falconeyes
By falconeyes (Jan 10, 2012 at 23:44:53 GMT)

I'd like to hear a reply to a question already asked: Where is the option to linearly shift the tonal range, aka ISO, or LR3 exposure? I use it a lot because I prefer to underexpose on purpose rather than increase the camera's ISO, at least with the most recent Sony sensors.

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DJenson
By DJenson (Jan 10, 2012 at 21:22:28 GMT)

Thank you Amadou for this very detailed write up; it's much more helpful and informative than the information I received from Adobe.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Jan 11, 2012 at 02:22:20 GMT)

Thanks for reading. Glad you found it helpful.

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JeffGo
By JeffGo (Jan 11, 2012 at 16:51:24 GMT)

Totally agree. Amadou, a great job as always. I played with the beta a little yesterday and now I understand things a lot better.

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LS3
By LS3 (Jan 12, 2012 at 17:36:41 GMT)

The most helpful, clear, concise explanation yet -- and perfectly targeted to cover what Beta users need to know. Thanks!!!

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JensR
By JensR (Jan 10, 2012 at 20:59:23 GMT)

Wow, RGB curves, finally! Highlight recovery with (seemingly) much less colour skewing! Geotagging with track import! I might have to abandon XP after all this time.
PS: Good review, thanks.

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elai
By elai (Jan 10, 2012 at 20:58:15 GMT)

When will they add real fullscreen picture preview. Picture fills to the entire screen, you can use hotkeys to move through your library and mark pictures. Really simple thing that almost every picture displaying program has. Best you can do leaves a large GUI "bezel" around the screen.

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RedHotLama
By RedHotLama (Jan 10, 2012 at 19:38:41 GMT)

Would like to see support for multiple users. This is a big problem for multiple computer users and studios.

I have solved it at home by putting the catalog with all the pictures and not storing it on the computer. But would be nice to have multiple users/computers access same catalog at the same time.

Also would like to not have to use PADDY to get keyboard adjustment. Would like the facial recognition too.

But those are all wishes, and this looks like a really nice update.

Like being able to move multiple folders at the same time.

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Bobjay
By Bobjay (Jan 10, 2012 at 19:13:47 GMT)

Well written preview !

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e_dawg
By e_dawg (Jan 10, 2012 at 18:28:43 GMT)

The new local adjustment features sound great, but let's not forget that one could already do most of that in LR3.

For example, local WB is performed by choosing the color you want to shift the local area towards. If the local area is too cool, you would simply select an orangy color and brush it on. If it's too warm, you would brush on a bluish color, and so on. It's like using a CC or 8xA/B/C series filter for your lens to match tungsten/daylight/FL lighting to your film/flash/etc or gelling your lights/windows. Might be complicated for those not used to this, but it's second nature to those who are used to dealing with mixed light sources with film.

Local NR is definitely a welcome addition, as it was a lot harder to implement without a dedicated slider, but you could still brush on a combination of negative clarity and sharpness with brightness/contrast adjustments to "hide" the noise in areas of uniform tone and structure. Still, i'd rather have the local NR slider.

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Yanko Kitanov
By Yanko Kitanov (Jan 10, 2012 at 18:01:33 GMT)

Hi,

Thanks for the review! Good work!

Is there any information available weather Adobe plans to release some film imitating curve adjustments, or perhaps general Lr presets? I don't mean something as comical as someone's film presets available at forums or some more general plugins including poor attempts to reproduce film looks like the ones from Nik or Imagenomic, what I mean is something more serious - like the work Raw Photo Processor developers did in scanning and analyzing thousands of images to be able to reproduce a really good film look at RAW level with supreme IQ. Or perhaps there are some 3rd party options...?

Have a great day/evening!
Yanko

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Yanko Kitanov
By Yanko Kitanov (Jan 11, 2012 at 16:18:57 GMT)

I am sorry to see that there is no answer to my question at DPR.

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thelensmeister
By thelensmeister (Jan 11, 2012 at 22:09:09 GMT)

Try these: http://visualsupply.co/

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Archer66
By Archer66 (Jan 10, 2012 at 18:01:03 GMT)

Dont care about books, maps or video but otherwise looks to be a must have release.

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Kwik-E-Mart
By Kwik-E-Mart (Jan 10, 2012 at 17:39:13 GMT)

Looks good so far. Love the geo-tagging. Great summary (typical DPReview greatness) that led to as many good questions as provided answers. But, with 4b downloading in the background, I'll soon know the answers.

Will be interesting to see how presets translate (or don't).

One major omission: facial recognition. I know it's considered a noob feature and Adobe won't get into it until it can be done really well. Not everyone will use it, but for those of us with thousands of pictures of some of the people in the library it would be amazing.

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Lift Off
By Lift Off (Jan 10, 2012 at 16:56:37 GMT)

Here's something I didn't get:

Imagine that you have a saved preset that had a value of contrast of +35 (that was just +10 than the default's +25 from Lightroom 3). Right? Now, when using it on Lightroom 4, will this same preset be adding +35 to the contrast, or just the correct +10 (which was the original intention)??

Hope I was clear enough.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Jan 10, 2012 at 17:42:50 GMT)

When updating PV2010 images with manual slider values to PV2012 Lr uses not identical numbers but tries to transpose them to an 'appropriate' value. But your image will undoubtedly look different.

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Lift Off
By Lift Off (Jan 10, 2012 at 18:05:13 GMT)

Thanks for the reply, although I don't think updating an old image is the point here (or maybe I didn't completely understand your answer).

I'm talking about a fresh new raw file, opened only on LR4: in that case, will an old preset work correctly?

It's probably not that big an issue and they surely thought about it, but I was curious about that specific case.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jan 10, 2012 at 18:50:49 GMT)

It's a very big issue with presets you already own.

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Lift Off
By Lift Off (Jan 10, 2012 at 19:33:07 GMT)

I want to believe they thought it through before changing it...

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Jan 11, 2012 at 02:34:52 GMT)

Presets created in PV2010 will behave as I described with manual adjustments made in PV2010 when applying them to PV2012 images. it's going to be the rare image that looks indistinguishable in both process versions with a PV2010 preset applied. You're going to end up making new presets for PV2012 images. Unavoidable as even the tools common to both versions work differently.
Best recommendation is to use 2012 primarily on newly imported images or ones you have not edited yet. If it already looks great in PV2010, leave it alone.

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Lift Off
By Lift Off (Jan 11, 2012 at 19:43:02 GMT)

Ok, noted. Thanks for clearing that up.

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TheChefs
By TheChefs (Jan 13, 2012 at 05:28:07 GMT)

Also after playing around with it, it looks like you can convert PV2010 images to PV2012. When you do it you have the option of viewing the old and new image side by side.

At that point you can decide if you want to proceed with PV2012 or stay with PV2010.

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bmlsayshi
By bmlsayshi (Jan 10, 2012 at 16:25:13 GMT)

You mention the fill light option is being removed. What is it being changed to? Would I up the highlights instead?

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bmlsayshi
By bmlsayshi (Jan 10, 2012 at 16:43:30 GMT)

Anyone? Please? This is important to me because its the feature I use the most in Lightroom...

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Lift Off
By Lift Off (Jan 10, 2012 at 16:58:11 GMT)

That is a good question... I will miss the "Fill light" option and the simple "Brightness" as well.

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bmlsayshi
By bmlsayshi (Jan 10, 2012 at 16:59:27 GMT)

I managed to find some info http://forums.adobe.com/message/4128170#4128170 and http://tv.adobe.com/watch/whats-new-in-lightroom-4-beta/develop-module-advancements/

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Curt Gerston
By Curt Gerston (Jan 10, 2012 at 22:32:27 GMT)

I suspect that's now the Shadow slider. I hope so.

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JavaJones
By JavaJones (Jan 10, 2012 at 23:03:02 GMT)

You would simply increase the Shadows slider, thus brightening your shadows. But, unlike "Fill Light", the effect would be much more clearly limited to the shadow areas, which in general is desirable. If you want an image to be brighter overall, you would increase exposure or Whites. You really have to try the new controls, they are - in my limited experience thus far - quite nice and a definite improvement.

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Majikthize
By Majikthize (Jan 10, 2012 at 15:25:32 GMT)

In LR's favor, I will say that local WB and NR are features I'd like to see in Aperture. Even so, I think I read that LR uses Noise Ninja tech, and I find that Topaz Labs' NR is much better. Oh, and for those of you pining for a heal brush, Aperture has both heal ("retouch") and clone brushes with both auto- and user-selected source, find edges, and variable brush size and feathering. And, while Aperture doesn't have layers, it achieves similar results by enabling brushing on of most any adjustment, post-selection variation of strength (think "layer opacity"), and multiple iterations of any adjustment (think "multiple layers").

OK, sorry, I'm a die-hard Aperture fan. I think the UI is cleaner and more efficient, and it makes my high-volume editing & post-production of event work a snap. I'll pipe down now.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jan 10, 2012 at 16:20:01 GMT)

In the end though it is the final results that counts and that is where Lightroom has always one over Aperture. It gets more out of files.

When you look at Lightroom 3 compared to Aperture 3 Aperture lacks the most basic of brushes which is 'exposure'. It's nearest brush is a combination of brightness/exposure and the results from that are not as good.

It will be interesting to see if Apple respond to Lightroom 4 and if so how. Very hard to tell at the moment after the mess they have made of the Final Cut update. Will they dumb down Aperture as well?

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Jeff Spirer
By Jeff Spirer (Jan 10, 2012 at 17:05:47 GMT)

LR has a healing brush, it was there in LR3 also.

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Majikthize
By Majikthize (Jan 10, 2012 at 17:33:23 GMT)

What, exactly, are you referring to when you say that LR "gets more out of files"? I'd be interested to know the results if you've actually done a careful comparison. I haven't, so I don't make those kinds of blanket assertions. And, I kind of doubt that you have, either, given that the "brightness/exposure" brush you mention doesn't exist. So, let's talk about what we know rather than what we believe. It is true that in Aperture you can't brush on adjustments made in the White Balance or Exposure bricks. Those are the only two, though. And, if, as you say, it is the final results that counts, then this is of no consequence. Every other adjustment can be brushed in or out, in multiple iterations (i.e. "adjustment layers"). If I want to adjust luminance or contrast in an area, I can brush in or out a Curves, Contrast or Levels adjustment. Likewise with color, sharpness, definition ("clarity"), highlights & shadows, and even vignette & devignette.

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Majikthize
By Majikthize (Jan 10, 2012 at 17:36:12 GMT)

Jeff, in an earlier post, Fixx implied that LR has only a clone tool, not a healing brush. Is this not correct? I'd expect it to have both, so I was surprised by the post. AP certainly has both.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jan 10, 2012 at 19:11:49 GMT)

I did not say it was called a brightness/exposure brush. What it does is a combination of this and it is called the Dodge Brush. It does not just increase the exposure and therefore can leave what you could describe as a halo effect sometimes. This is because it is also increasing brightness. This is a known issue in Aperture 3 and comes up in forums very often. The fact that it does not just effect exposure does have a consequence. To be able to control exposure with a brush is the most important brush a lot of photographers will need in software.

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Dolan Halbrook
By Dolan Halbrook (Jan 10, 2012 at 15:20:36 GMT)

Kind of surprised there's still no facial recognition for tagging.

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Kwik-E-Mart
By Kwik-E-Mart (Jan 10, 2012 at 17:29:50 GMT)

I agree. This would be my number one feature request. Even if it wasn't perfect.

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Sevventh
By Sevventh (Jan 16, 2012 at 19:42:02 GMT)

I agree, even if its not perfect like the one in Picasa it will save alot of time

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Majikthize
By Majikthize (Jan 10, 2012 at 15:04:28 GMT)

I was expecting more. Most of the new features have been in Aperture 3 for over a year. Separate point-curve adjustments for R, G & B channels? Old news. Book layouts and built-in ordering? Old news. Soft proofing? Very old news. Geolocation? Old news. And, some of the changes to adjustment tools seem to be substituting an algorithm's judgement for the user's. I don't love the auto highlight recovery - I'll make that decision, thank you very much. Making the exposure adjustment target the midtones rather than shift the entire tonal range takes away control. I often use exposure, highlight recovery, brightness and black point adjustments in tandem to finely control overall brightness and contrast. The new approach seems like it's been dumbed down for tyros. Also, when viewing a single image, Adobe still wastes screen real estate with a preview image. Why? Honestly, with Aperture available for $80, I don't see why DPR hasn't reviewed it, or why any Mac user would bother with Lightroom.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Jan 10, 2012 at 15:26:16 GMT)

You're free, of course to use any raw editor you want, but you're making incorrect assumptions about the PV2012 changes. Take a few of your PV2010 images, reset them to their defaults in PV2012 and try the new Basic panel tools, in order. Yes, its a new workflow to learn, but once you do it's arguably faster, more intuitive and you're not giving up any control, especially when you can fine-tune with the Tone Curve.

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Majikthize
By Majikthize (Jan 10, 2012 at 15:38:44 GMT)

So, if I want to blow out the highlights, do the Basic panel tools provide a way to do it? That's pretty basic. Sorry, but for an old fart like me who cut his teeth on slide film, having an "exposure" adjustment not mimic the effect of varying the camera's ISO, aperture or shutter speed (i.e. shifting the entire tonal range in a linear manner) just seems counterintuitive. Hasn't Adobe effectively removed the old exposure adjustment and renamed the brightness adjustment "exposure"?

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jan 10, 2012 at 15:39:33 GMT)

That is simple to answer more, pro Mac users use Lightroom because the tools are better and produce better results.

If you mean the preview image on the left, just turn it off if you don't want it.

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Majikthize
By Majikthize (Jan 10, 2012 at 15:53:32 GMT)

If you're not going to cite specific examples, all I can say is that's not my experience, or that of my business partner, a 20-year veteran who migrated to Aperture after using Lightroom for years. To cite one specific example of better tools, he found Aperture's Highlights & Shadows tool much more flexible and effective, not only for recovering highlights and shadows, but also for managing midtone contrast. As for results, doing color-critical art reproduction work for a book to accompany an exhibition at a major New York museum, I was pleasantly surprised to find that Aperture's default profiles yielded more accurate color than ACR, even after using an Xrite Color Checker Passport to generate a custom profile. Sure, it's nice to have the option to use custom profiles in ACR, an option that Aperture doesn't provide. But, if the results aren't better, what's the point?

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jan 10, 2012 at 16:32:14 GMT)

I have been using Lightroom for professional work since the first beta came out and like many I still find highlight recovery to be more effective in Lightroom compared to Aperture. I do a lot of theatre production photography and and the difference has been quite noticeable. Even my local Apple store staff photography specialist who do pro work on the side prefer to use Lightroom for similar reasons. On the print side files that I have given to clients for use in books and well printed magazines on good paper stock have matched without any problems. Only time there has been problems in that area for me the cause has always lead back to the printers.

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Majikthize
By Majikthize (Jan 10, 2012 at 17:46:08 GMT)

Not having tested both, I couldn't compare the effectiveness of highlight recovery in LR vs AP. Have you done same-image comparisons with current versions of both apps? My biz partner, who works with AP but still putters with LR, prefers the color from his D700 NEFs with AP. Again, I haven't done the kind of careful tests that would qualify me to compare IQ. What I do know is that I find AP's interface cleaner, and most of LR's "new" features are things I've been working with for a long time. As far as print matching goes, that's really more a matter of soft proofing (AP v1.0+) and good monitor calibration.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Jan 11, 2012 at 02:40:47 GMT)

Majikthize, if you want to blow out highlights, push the Whites slider to the right.

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Fixx
By Fixx (Jan 10, 2012 at 14:07:21 GMT)

Thank you for preview.

Curve tool looks promising. As good as in Photoshop?

When you explain work flow in basic adjusting, many of us rather set black and white point first, and mid tones after. Mid tones are handled by brightness&contrast; which in practice means curve elevation & S shape. Not sure if adding sliders will help (as there is already overlap in highlight recovery tools: whites and hightlights seem both to affect recovery). I guess this is a matter of taste and these tools work ok.

Have they done anything to HSL tools? Color manipulation has been subpar with that tool. It is impossible to target and change exact colours in image as there are no adjustment in targeting. Photoshop is here way ahead. Now, make HSL adjustable as in Photoshop and add darkness slider to target dark/mid/light ends of histogram. That would be state of art.

and....

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Fixx
By Fixx (Jan 10, 2012 at 14:07:52 GMT)

Heal tool! Really, there is no reason not to include it instead of simple clone. Should heal also missing edge pixels created by in distortion correction tools.

Web gallery plugins? We need one with HTML5 slideshow and one with simple namelist (without thumbnail), preferably with search function (like, having a list of 1000 persons and you can go to right name and fetch image). + www-commenting option for visitors in galleries. Third party plugins would be fine.

HDR and panos may be better handled by third parties. Please encourage them make LR plugins for their applications.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jan 10, 2012 at 14:39:36 GMT)

These 9 plug-ins for Lightroom all use HTML5. You might find one of these meet your needs.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Jan 10, 2012 at 15:00:45 GMT)

Fixx,
You're not going to be happy or working efficiently if you start by setting your endpoints first. The Lr workflow has always been somewhat different than a Curves-based Ps workflow. And in v4 you really, really, really want to use the tools in the order they're presented.
Don't confuse use of the Tone Curve with the role of Ps Curves. In Lr you achieve much of what you used Curves for in Ps with the Basic panel sliders. Tone Curve is for fine-tuning those results or, as I wrote in the preview, to make more creative adjustments.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jan 10, 2012 at 15:34:32 GMT)

It's always been important with Lightroom from from Lightroom 1 to do things in the order they are listed to get the best out of the files.

Out of interest what happens with old presets with contrast settings built into them when you use them with Lightroom 4?

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gonzalu
By gonzalu (Jan 10, 2012 at 13:09:14 GMT)

I am salivating for the new features and localized options... but the video and book enhancements are going to be a big jump in the learning curve :P

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jan 10, 2012 at 12:15:26 GMT)

On video is it possible like you can with photos to copy settings you have made to one clip to another clip?

Also if you had a still from the footage you had adjusted in 'Develop' could you then copy those adjustments over in the 'library' module to a video clip? That way you could make adjustments smaller than a third of a stop of exposure for example.

It says you can also apply split toning to video. How do you do that if you can't access the 'Develop' module? Is there a new setting in the library module that we can't see in the screen shots?

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Jan 10, 2012 at 14:51:10 GMT)

The things you want to do are possible if you use presets. Grab a still from the video, open it in the Develop module, make your changes, then save them as a preset. Go back to any video and apply your preset. It will be in the User Presets submenu.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jan 10, 2012 at 15:29:23 GMT)

Thanks for getting back Amadou. That is useful to know and easy to do. I don't suppose you know where the split tones settings are for video?

Best preview I have seen so far as you go into more depth than other websites.

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